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| Kapt'n K |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:57 pm |
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Sorry for the lengthy post. Since you all are somewhat in the loop on this, here's what was said.
Quote: On Mar 17, 2005, at 7:07 AM (he's up early) , Chris Windham wrote:
Threatening fans with lawyers isn't the best way to go about things.
Because of this, I will be parting with everything KMFDM in my house.
SORRY
MUTHA
FUCKA
ADIOS
Quote: On Mar 17, 2005, at 1:30 PM (oh the fervor...), Chris Windham wrote:
It's glorious to see just how immature a man of your age, can really be.
Grow up and don't threaten fans with lawsuits over shitty MDFMK
bootlegs no one is making a dime off of. It's not too hard. If you're
so worried about it, why don't you start selling bootlegs out of the
amazing KMFDM STORE!
since you posted the last email already on UHB, go ahead and post this one now as well, chris.
you are quite mistaken. this is not at all about threatening fans or non-fans alike.
the guy darren got our attention a while back when he offered to sell home-burned PIG dvd's. he may claim that he was going to sell them for cost and only to a few people... but bottom line, he was going to sell them. we here at headquarters happen to be PIG's publishers. it is our job to license and collect royalties, and ultimately to also protect, if necessary, PIG's copyright.
accordingly, our legal dept. sent the guy a nasty mail to make him stop. which he did. sure, he whined and moaned on some message boards, but hell, you all do all the time whine and bitch about something. i have long ago given up getting involved in these boards anyways, with the exception of UHB which is a fine board with a good amount of level-headed, educated and literate, as well as good-mannered (unlike you) people.
anyways, back to the core of this:
recently our legal dept. had to send darren yet another mail when they found him posting about and directly linking to a download site with mdfmk material freely distributed.
old, shitty and not so relevant perhaps, but still something we and universal share the copyrights of. he has thusly become a multiple offender in the book of the legal dept.
if he (and you for that matter) think that as a "fan" he has carte blanche to do whatever he can conceive of, you both are mistaken.
if we wanted darren to be our online distributor for mdfmk and PIG, we would have hired him.
if you can't understand that as a company we have obligations, rights and responsibilities, that we protect our assets and that we reach out to people or other companies that infringe on said assets, if you don't get this, then please take my advice and lose my email address, as i asked you earlier.
i will not tolerate that you personally harrass ME one more time. i am in the midst of recording a new album and i can't be bothered to get personally involved in horseshit like this. don't you think i have better things to do than argue with KMFDM "fans" about their 19-year old mischief ?
if darren wasn't so blatantly obvious about his activities, nobody would've noticed, most likely....
so sell whatever you want... i couldn't care less.
i am selling "this KMFDM shit" because, "boohooo sascha, that dick, he was mean to my friend"
very mature that.
so fuck off
Quote: On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:46 PM (as if he can't get enough), Chris Windham wrote:
This will be my last mail to you as I will "lose" your address, as per
your wishes.
thanks
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First of all, thank you for the explanation. It's nice knowing you
take out at least 5 minutes for some fans that have been throwing shit
around. Shit that's certainly been stirred and over-cooked all too
much.
i take all the time that i have to interact, communicate and listen to our fans, anfd they know that.
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Secondly, I know you're a busy musician trying to earn some coin.
i am not "trying to earn some coin". that is the last thing i'd expect to happen with KMFDM.
it's a work of love.
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But
I'd be more worried about FUBAR being passed around like an STD during
Woodstock, or some of the other, more recent releases from you, than
an MDFMK bootleg. I had nothing to do with that PIG dvd, but I knew
about it and didn't exactly agree with much of it. Although it was
probably wrong for him to pass along those videos, he needed the money
for DVD-Rs and for shipping costs, so just know that the money he
"received" didn't go into his massively huge bank account that he
acquired for fucking other bands in the ass from their bootlegs.
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Third, yes, a lot of my friends think you are a male genital,
including me, but it shouldn't matter because I'm just some fan whose
opinion doesn't mean shit.
trust me, i am.
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I'm also selling the KMFDM merchandise
because I'm focusing on my future. Unlike everyone else in the glitz
world, I have to give up some things to buy some transportation so
that I can go to school and work.
there's no glitz world here....
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Lastly, I wish you wouldn't lurk at the forums and pinpoint the true
fans of your work.
wish as you may, i never lurk. i frequently read UHB and post there, and that's that.
all true fans of our work know the basics: don't get caught red-handed, other than that, have fun.
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We probably set ourselves up for it, and yes you
have duties and copyrights and yada yada yada,
it's called our livelihoods. we are working very very hard to afford ourselves to be KMFDM.
there are 7 of us that need food, housing etc. we tour and record our asses off.
not many bands release records as frequently as we do, document tours and concerts, fun-bits and bloopers, and make available to their fans
absolutely affordable quality merch. you have to admit that there's merch for every budget. have you looked what other bands shirts and tickets
go for these days. don't yadayada me...
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but we are all fans who
look up to you. We buy (bought) your stuff, we supported you, we
listened and adored, and that's a lot more than others have done.
Sure, we aren't all educated in the business world because we are,
after all, a bunch of 19 year olds bitching about trivial shit, & no
I'm not the brightest kid in the world, but all that mattered to me
was the music, the scene, being a fan. That's what I liked to do best.
I wasn't even aware of KMFDM prior to discovering MDFMK. That makes it
impossible, legally, for me to listen to a live show of you guys back
when you first started to "rip the system", unless you or someone else
releases it? Please...
you can listen to, wank to, even eat as many live show bootlegs as you can handle, just don't peddle them in front of our legal dept's noses.
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No fan will just sit there until some businessman in a suit gets off
his ass and releases everything.
there's no suits here..... (looks again), nope.
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Even so, who wouldn't want to share
that stuff with other fans, even if it was a crappy recording. I'm
sure a lot of people who heard it, still appreciate it.
sharing is great, not selling or blatantly linking though.
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see ya.
good luck on fubar. and the fanbase.
thank you, FUBAR is coming along just dandy and the fanbase and KMFDM are one for all and all for one, as usual.
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| Chris |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:34 pm |
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Ya beat me to it
I was all giddy and ready to post this all over the net. |
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| MrZinc |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:02 pm |
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DARREN-Hhaha....Im more mature then 99% of you here...that includes Sascha...
MrZinc-If you are so mature, then why do you have to try to convince everyone that? Shut the fuck up, no one here gives a shit about what you have to say.
I was one step ahead of the Kapt'n, I told this douche bag to fuck off a while ago. I am glad we all on the same page here. I think we need to BLACKBALL this Darren guy. |
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| Kapt'n K |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:23 pm |
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hahaha...blackballing is always fun...
...but maybe not poor little darren (he's only 19)
how about blackballing the REAL sycophant here (you know who i mean)
since i am once again posting here, how about a round of q&a
'sabout time.
in order to avoid the obvious q's, here a quick update:
steve white is expected to arrive here soon, we'll utilize his body mass in the recording process.
FUBAR is coming along fabulously, the songs almost write themselves.
we are working on the upcoming single and remixes for it. oh the choices...
the pigs have moved to a nicer sty, we can even record drums there, it's THAT cool...
BRUTE! is in the final stages of new artwork for both single and album.
the 20th anniversary DVD, inkluding the fankam stuff, is nearing its completion and will be released on KMFDM Records very soon.
It'll be a 2-DVD set and chock-full of goodness. Europe, Russia, Australia, Kanada and USSA all on one thing (oh right, there was already a thread on that, sorry)
other than that, the cunts are still the cunts, and that's all for now kids.
p.s.
lucia and i are indeed engaged. |
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| Vampire60 |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:12 pm |
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Kapt'n K wrote: hahaha...blackballing is always fun...
...but maybe not poor little darren (he's only 19)
how about blackballing the REAL sycophant here (you know who i mean)
since i am once again posting here, how about a round of q&a
'sabout time.
in order to avoid the obvious q's, here a quick update:
steve white is expected to arrive here soon, we'll utilize his body mass in the recording process.
FUBAR is coming along fabulously, the songs almost write themselves.
we are working on the upcoming single and remixes for it. oh the choices...
the pigs have moved to a nicer sty, we can even record drums there, it's THAT cool...
BRUTE! is in the final stages of new artwork for both single and album.
the 20th anniversary DVD, inkluding the fankam stuff, is nearing its completion and will be released on KMFDM Records very soon.
It'll be a 2-DVD set and chock-full of goodness. Europe, Russia, Australia, Kanada and USSA all on one thing (oh right, there was already a thread on that, sorry)
other than that, the cunts are still the cunts, and that's all for now kids.
HURRAY!
Kapt'n K wrote:
p.s.
lucia and i are indeed engaged
Hurray and Congrats!! |
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| Darren870 |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:23 pm |
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Do you feel powerful making fun of my age? The sad thing is though I've been listening to your music since I was 10. Thats almost 10 years now, probably the longest here...Yet you still attack my age...
Whatever...
Sell dvd's, hardly...sorry Im not made of money to be able to cough up $5 for every person that wanted them. Wait though, I could of SWORE I sent an e-mail stating I would eat the cost and ship them out for free, yet...nope still nasty ass e-mails from your "legal dept."...
Maybe you should hire someone else to run your legal dept, the man sounds like he is 8, plus his threats are lame. Though you do have a habbit of hiring assholes, your legal rep, your webmasters etc. If you didn't realize these people represent your music...people judge you on what they say and there actions.
Think about it, you know this could of escalated to ... nothing, had your legal department simply sent a nicer e-mail. Maybe you should re-read what they write before its sent out. Or maybe you are watching and reading, hi-fiving the person writing the emails...who knows...
Mr. Zinc - You're cool, I hope someday I'll be just as cool as you...you truly are my American Idol... |
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| Maus Heil |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:37 pm |
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Quote: p.s.
lucia and i are indeed engaged.
Major congratulations!
*happy dance* |
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| Mano |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:37 pm |
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Kapt'n K wrote:
p.s.
lucia and i are indeed engaged.
Glückwünsche~!
By the way, the DVD teaser looks great. Call me narcissistic, but I am really hoping to catch a glimpse of me and my buddies in the live footage. (If the edmonton show is on the dvd that is )
Anyways, keep up the good work
- your friend to the north |
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| Caz |
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:49 pm |
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Quote: p.s.
lucia and i are indeed engaged
Congrats! YAY!!!!!!
*insert romantic violins here*
I'd throw confetti around but if i try to find it i might fall over (more than a little plastered) and not move for a few hours. |
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| bcorz |
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:06 am |
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Kapt'n K wrote: lucia and i are indeed engaged. Congrats (Cause all I know is English)
Darren870 wrote: Though you do have a habbit of hiring assholes, your legal rep, your webmasters etc. You do realize that it is a lawyer's job to be an asshole, right? Just as an example, my dad is a lawyer, and I do like him. However, it is common for people to call him things like "asshat" and "douche bag". Why? Because he acts like lawyers do. They are to the point with everything that they say. It makes them sound mean, but rarely is that their intent.
Darren870 wrote: Sell dvd's, hardly...sorry Im not made of money to be able to cough up $5 for every person that wanted them. Wait though, I could of SWORE I sent an e-mail stating I would eat the cost and ship them out for free, yet...nope still nasty ass e-mails from your "legal dept."... I guess I grew up around a lawyer, but if is illeagle for you to do something, then you can't do it. I am sure on the back of the ticket for the pig concerts and schaft tapes it said you cannot duplicate/take video of what was happening. When the people who did it in the first place they were breaking the law. Now that they are in your hands, you can't legally have them, let alone distribute them. Is it that big of a deal? Probably not, but the law is the law...
Kapt'n K wrote: i have long ago given up getting involved in these boards anyways, with the exception of UHB which is a fine board with a good amount of level-headed, educated and literate, as well as good-mannered (unlike you) people. Thanks.
Chris wrote: Lastly, I wish you wouldn't lurk at the forums and pinpoint the truefans of your work. I'm confused...wtf does this mean? Are we not true fans? We hang out here because we LIKE THE FUCKING BAND! |
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| lsyd |
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:18 am |
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OMFG, the drama the drama the drama. i just wish all these flames would be where they truly belong, at the sick flaming city!!!
glad to hear there's gonna be a single.
where's raymond?
how long until the kapt'n and lucia make some new band members?
how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
that kapt'n k guy's got a cool avatar.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:22 am |
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Sorry to hear about what happened. I'm so glad I ask for promission if I can use KMFDM stuff on webpages and such before I do anything.
Speaking of webpages I finally got my done for now http://loganjames.8k.com/
Probably my question is, besides Albums CD/Cover art by Brute!, will you be accepting other artists for singles in the future?
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| defect |
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:46 am |
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| I like cake... I figure alot of people will be reading this thread so now is a good time to bring the issue of me loving cake to the front! all hail cake and also hail some redbull |
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| Kapt'n K |
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:48 am |
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Quote: Do you feel powerful making fun of my age? The sad thing is though I've been listening to your music since I was 10. Thats almost 10 years now, probably the longest here...Yet you still attack my age...
Whatever...
Darren, i don't feel powerful at all. I consider myself the luckiest person in the world, actually having made it out of germany, having had a (once in a lifetime) chance given to me by Jim and Danny (the founders of WaxTrax!), by having met and being engaged to Lucia and on and on and on...
I am very humble and, if i may say so, down to earth.
I am not gleeful, I work harder than anyone I know and I feel sometimes like I don't deserve the honors.
Seriously, I bear no grudges, least to you...
Smile, motherfucker !
You may not be the youngest KMFDM (ex-) fan but I admire the notion...
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Sell dvd's, hardly...sorry Im not made of money to be able to cough up $5 for every person that wanted them. Wait though, I could of SWORE I sent an e-mail stating I would eat the cost and ship them out for free, yet...nope still nasty ass e-mails from your "legal dept."...
well, you asked for money, and that fact will constitute a "sale", sorry...
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Maybe you should hire someone else to run your legal dept, the man sounds like he is 8, plus his threats are lame. Though you do have a habbit of hiring assholes, your legal rep, your webmasters etc. If you didn't realize these people represent your music...people judge you on what they say and there actions.
I'll let you believe that he is 8, but he ain't. He's not threatening, he follows through, all the way if I want to. But in your case, mistakes were made, I'll take full responsibility, and apologize on everyone's behalf.
Can we be friends again ? I hope so....Quote:
Think about it, you know this could of escalated to ... nothing, had your legal department simply sent a nicer e-mail. Maybe you should re-read what they write before its sent out. Or maybe you are watching and reading, hi-fiving the person writing the emails...who knows...
Darren, you KNOW you were in the wrong, just grow up a tiny bit right now, and all's cool. Both you and chris, let me know how much you want for your collections that you're ebaying, I may just take them off your hands...
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Mr. Zinc - You're cool, I hope someday I'll be just as cool as you...you truly are my American Idol...
Mr. Zinc's not only cool, he reeks of booze too..... :0 :0 :0
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| Logan |
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:49 am |
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defect wrote: I like cake... I figure alot of people will be reading this thread so now is a good time to bring the issue of me loving cake to the front! all hail cake and also hail some redbull
I like Pie better. |
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